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« on: May 20, 2016, 09:07:25 PM »
Since this seems to be a hot topic, what do you all think about Strawberry's gender swap?

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Personally, I've never liked gender changes, but that's coming from someone who prefers when the movie/series stays as true to the original work as possible. So really, it's just subjective taste.

I'm guessing they did this to give a little more balance to the males and females. Let's face it: maybe 90% of the rabbits in the novel are male, and we don't see a somewhat-major female character until halfway (Clover) and main female character until three-quarters through (Hyzenthlay).

Having more of a balance is just appealing to people in general, particularly females. As a woman myself, I can back this up :D

Plus, Strawberry has always seemed like more a feminine name to me. I was honestly surprised when the novel made him male :P
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« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2016, 11:52:46 PM »
I'll live. I'm guessing Strawberry will remain a minor character so I'm not gonna lose sleep over it.

Honestly, I'm just glad Blackberry will be a buck here. Call me a traditionalist, but gender-swapping between mediums and adaptations in general bugs me a bit. It almost always comes off as needless or just plain confusing. Yeah, the sexes are imbalanced in the book, but, quite frankly, I don't care nor do I see why anyone should care. That's just how it was written and conceived. Why should it change? To have a more diverse cast more people can relate to? Well, one, they're pretty realistically portrayed rabbits so we're already doing some work as humans to relate to them, and two, I really don't think many people have trouble relating to those of the opposite sex. I certainly don't. I'd be concerned if I did have trouble doing so. These things just always leave me questioning what was even the point.

That ended up being a lot longer than I meant it to be. The point is, I'm really not that bothered by female Blackberry or Strawberry, but I dunno, I just don't see the point. I'll reserve any full judgments for when the series is aired.
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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2016, 02:21:45 AM »
Quote from: Hammy on May 20 2016, 07:52:46 PM
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2016, 03:29:30 AM »
Quote from: Hammy on May 20 2016, 07:52:46 PM
I'll reserve any full judgements for when the series is aired.
Bingo. I'll echo Naylte and Hammy and say that I'll wait until I see the series before I decide my opinion on the matter.

Though, I'm honestly a bit surprised (in a good way) that they didn't butcher the story to be completely politically correct and totally "inclusive" by including whatever groups social justice warriors think need to be pried into existing plots. It's not like I don't want more gender diversity (quite the opposite in fact), it's just that I feel it's usually done entirely for political correctness reasons and not to forward the plot in any way.

Anyway, all I hope is that the writers make it work. Blackberry as a female for the 1999 series ultimately worked out without any downfalls, so it can be done.
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2016, 05:55:07 PM »
Quote from: Bright Side on May 20 2016, 05:07:25 PM
Since this seems to be a hot topic, what do you all think about Strawberry's gender swap?

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(I love how Strawberry-doe is the only thing we're now talking about xD)

Personally, I've never liked gender changes, but that's coming from someone who prefers when the movie/series stays as true to the original work as possible. So really, it's just subjective taste.

I'm guessing they did this to give a little more balance to the males and females. Let's face it: maybe 90% of the rabbits in the novel are male, and we don't see a somewhat-major female character until halfway (Clover) and main female character until three-quarters through (Hyzenthlay).

Having more of a balance is just appealing to people in general, particularly females. As a woman myself, I can back this up :D

Plus, Strawberry has always seemed like more a feminine name to me. I was honestly surprised when the novel made him male :P
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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2016, 06:03:59 PM »
I guess I will wait and see, but I'd rather keep the series' original approach of having a female Blackberry instead. It worked out marvelously last time.

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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2016, 02:08:36 AM »
@Strifer: I didn't think it was. Nothing to apologize for, mate.
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2016, 04:03:23 PM »
Interesting! It's good they're creating more of a balance, but with a rather minor character, it seems lackluster to do so. Strawberry did always strike me as a female name, though. :lol

I also really liked Blackberry as a female, and it would have been nice to see that approach taken again. But hey, probably best to stick to the originals with the main characters.
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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2016, 06:43:31 PM »
To be honest, I can't say I'm bothered by female Strawberry. We shall see what kind of personal traits and plot points she will be given by producers. Hopefully, they will make her to be one of the likeable and interesting characters. :)
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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2016, 04:58:59 PM »
Ain't bothered, mate. :p

Seriously though, I don't really mind this swap. I can't even remember much about Strawberry in the novel. I agree Strawberry seemed quite a feminine name, anyway - so maybe one of the more obvious and tolerable gender swaps they could have picked. :)
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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2016, 10:40:03 AM »
They managed to do a good job with Blackberry in my opinion in the series. With Strawberry ... What could go wrong?
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2016, 10:37:29 PM »
I think a better question is: Who will Strawberry fall in love with? Its bound to happen. I think she'll be Cowslips mate to begin with and then take a liking to one of the main characters. Either Hazel or Bigwig. Hazel because he always gets the ladies and that will leave room for a Bigwig/Hyzenthlay romance in Efrafa. Or she'll save Bigwig from the snare, and when she thinks he's dead she'll confess her love for him and Bigwig will be like "yo, I'm not dead"

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« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2016, 06:45:23 PM »
I wouldn't reject this new Strawberry for being a doe, but I will only be able to make a final decision when the miniseries gets released.

As for love...hopefully they won't make this a major plot element, I would rather have them focus on more exciting things rather than pointless romantic subplots.
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« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2016, 12:17:58 AM »
Well, then again maybe they won't. After all, its a mini series. The other series had the time and space to add in the whole Campion/Blackberry love story.

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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2016, 06:24:01 PM »
I don't think they would remove Hazel/Hyzenthlay. But yeah, if they're planning to make Strawberry into a doe, I'd assume they have relationship plans for her. But it probably wouldn't be major. :D
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