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« on: December 25, 2018, 08:04:15 PM »
split from the Woundwort's backstory thread

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The miniseries seems confused about opinions on humans.  Clover's turnaround about them, saying the "they'll never stop until they've spoiled the Earth" line is really sudden. But then Woundwort doesn't seem to mind them, then Fiver is saved and let go by them. Near the down no less.

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Re: Humans
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2018, 08:04:40 PM »
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Fiver took Hazels spot for being saved

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Re: Humans
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2018, 08:05:04 PM »
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He did, yes, though, all that happens off-screen.

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Re: Humans
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2018, 08:05:28 PM »
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I didn't really mind it

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Re: Humans
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2018, 08:06:05 PM »
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Well, from the sounds of it Clover wasn't much of a fan of the hutch even before being free, but giving her that line still seems awkward.

I don't mind Lucy rescuing Fiver happening off-screen either. Also, interesting that the farmer is named Tom here; I don't think his name was ever stated before.
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Re: Humans
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2018, 08:06:27 PM »
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Yeah, I was waiting for Holly to say it or something more appropriate

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Re: Humans
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2018, 08:06:51 PM »
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I mean, it's not awful, just mood whiplash-y. Doesn't get enough thought to really be an effective theme, I don't think. Humans are bad. Now not all humans are bad, I guess. Okay? I mean, thanks, but that was sudden.

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Re: Humans
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2018, 08:09:21 PM »
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They should have bashed us humans even more, like with Woundwort's backstory.  Efrafa being built in human ruins is a missed opportunity, never explained.  Also the fox thing.  The trip to that human village in episode 3 is another missed opportunity.

I don't mind Fiver getting rescued, but they should have made it clearer that the good humans are a minority.
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Re: Humans
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2018, 08:16:49 PM »
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I just think the theme should have made more sense and been more cohesive.
Having Clover suddenly decide that hey, screw that human who took care of me, all them are bad muddles things. As it is, it seems like the series can't make up its mind.

Not a big fan of how clearly awful the farmer and his wife are either. I always kinda liked how distinctly chill the farmers in the book are. You really get the sense that yeah, they are just living their lives in this state of ignorance to the suffering of other creatures without it having to be stated. They're not overly concerned with the rabbits escaping. It's a nuisance, nothing more. I think that's more poignant than the distinctly callous farmer of the miniseries.

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Re: Humans
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2018, 08:17:42 PM »
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I actually kinda liked the farmer and his wife, their arguments were funny. One interesting thing, though, is that they say that the rabbits escaped again, as if it's not the first time it happens?

Also that the cat lives in the house, but can also roam around the farm. Dog stays outside though.
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Re: Humans
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2018, 08:18:17 PM »
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Good point, but to be fair, Hazel and the lot of being little pricks destroying their stuff like that

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Re: Humans
« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2018, 08:19:02 PM »
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I could see it. Found it more uncomfortable than anything, but that's more personal.

And yeah, that is questionable. Not too uncommon, even now.

When is this series set, come to think of it? The 70s? The cars seemed a little modern for that. If it's in the 70s, that would have been exceptionally normal.

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Re: Humans
« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2018, 08:19:27 PM »
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I was assuming it was modern. Especially with the buildings on the billboard

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Re: Humans
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2018, 08:20:07 PM »
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Yeah, that's a good point, the Sandleford billboard. Interesting that both the rabbits and men call it Sandleford.

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Re: Humans
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2018, 08:20:46 PM »
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Same with Watership.

I gotta wonder if in the series this means that efrafa was literally a building called Efrafa, lol