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Author Topic: Kehaar  (Read 1258 times)

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Kehaar
« on: December 31, 2018, 12:15:33 AM »
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Agreed.

Didn't like Kehaar in this
Ooh, you read my mind. That was a discussion I wanted to bring up. Kehaar is kinda terrible and hard to like.

Like, I know he comes back, but where's the part where he gets chewed out for very nearly getting rabbits killed by being negligent? "You stupid gull, Hazel could have died, Bigwig could have died, Clover could have died" All by virtue of him coming back way after their plan was supposed to happen. He just pisses off to the Great Water and ignores Bigwig. At least in the original, there's clearly a communication issue. Here, Kehaar understands fine.
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Re: Kehaar
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2018, 12:17:00 AM »
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Yeah, and seems pretty pointless, and useless. Actually that's basically saying the same thing, but yeah. xD

I hoped they might show a bit of the friendship between Kehaar and Bigwig.
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Re: Kehaar
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2018, 12:19:48 AM »
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They want to have that element, but don't really show their work for it.

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Re: Kehaar
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2018, 12:20:30 AM »
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Haha.

Also a new way to hear Kehaar's name being pronounced... actually heard it said a few different ways.

I am curious what other people thought of Kehaar.
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Re: Kehaar
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2018, 12:39:52 AM »
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 don't mind the lack of accent.  While Zero Mostel and Rik Meyall did a good job with his voice, they just couldn't get the accent right.  I would rather they didn't try, rather than failing again.

That said, I'm not a fan of him burping, and his trip to the Big Water is kinda annoying.  In the book, it was supposed to be some faraway place, and here, it's close enough that he can go there, eat fish, and come back, in two days. (I'm intentionally ignoring the series here because, let's face it, those two episodes suck)

He's still funny sometimes, and I like that bit where the kittens are gathering worms for him.
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Re: Kehaar
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2018, 07:50:20 PM »
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I don't mind the different accent the went for all that much but I was disappointed that they didn't show the friendship between him and Bigwig more. It seemed at one point they were going to (when Bigwig says he likes him more or something) but then it stopped? Until the pals answer which felt off to me
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Re: Kehaar
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2018, 07:50:47 PM »
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I wonder if, with the big water being closer, they're setting things up for a potential continuation of the series? If Kehaar's big water is closer, he can come back more easily.

Probably not but one can hope

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Re: Kehaar
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2018, 07:51:17 PM »
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It would be nice but I fear they simply did it to have him gone and back quickly enough.
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Re: Kehaar
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2019, 10:45:37 AM »
I was almost certain that Kehaar would have a terrible attitude in this adaptation. Simply to give it another focus. Although he shows himself as an idiot and selfish, in the end it turned out to be a great ally of the Watership Down bunnies.    :strawberry3    :kehaar
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Re: Kehaar
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2019, 04:10:28 AM »
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It really would have been nice if Kehaar and Bigwig had shared more scenes, and been friendlier towards each other.  Even the 1978 film handled their relationship better, despite the shorter running time.

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Re: Kehaar
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2019, 04:24:26 PM »
I always thought Kehaar was just a cartoonized version of a normal seagull. Wrong was I.
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Re: Kehaar
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2019, 06:34:30 PM »
Aww, I do like that scene in the film where Bigwig pats Kehaar's neck. :D Lovely little characterful moments.
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Re: Kehaar
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2019, 07:13:37 AM »
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I'm blinded by Kehaar. It wasn't until the movie that I liked him, when his rude behavior was contrasted with his clumsiness, no indoor voice, and maniacal laughter. That made him funny to me instead of a jerk, so from then on I always expected him to be a scatterbrained goofball. The "rude" part came along for the ride, so when he appeared to be the same way in the miniseries, I thought he was as strong as ever. When the other rabbits didn't react much to Kehaar's unhelpful responses (like Hazel being silent for a moment after Kehaar burps loudly), I imagined they knew and chose to awkwardly look the other way on it, because that would be funny too.

I could count on him to be entertaining in this miniseries whenever he showed up. Saying something funny, or looking cute in closeups, or that awesome moment where he was flying in slow motion. I didn't see or hear much of Bluebell later on, so Kehaar became the comic relief and I think Kehaar did a better job of it. Overall I think he did a good job and was one of the more memorable parts of the miniseries.

The only thing that felt off is his squawk. I know that's what a gull sounds like, but it doesn't sound remotely serious or ferocious, in contrast to how he presents himself, so it doesn't seem like it fits. It did make for a funny ending to his slo-mo flight though.

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I was disappointed that they didn't show the friendship between him and Bigwig more. It seemed at one point they were going to (when Bigwig says he likes him more or something) but then it stopped?

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:kehaar *spits food in Hazel's face and laughs* :bigwig3 "Oh he's growing on me, what's the plan now Hazel-rah?"

In hindsight, you're right, nothing came of it. I thought their friendship was originally more "can't live with him, can't live without him", so I'm not too bothered since Bigwig seems to get annoyed with Kehaar as often as in the movie. It still didn't feel like they interacted as much though. And yet a strong feeling came over me when it showed a closeup of Bigwig as he's cautiously walking up to Kehaar for the first time. It felt so right that Bigwig should be the one to meet him (two fiery personalities), it had been so long that I was excited to see those two together again and hoped they would become a memorable pair. There was too little of them but I was fine with it.