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Challenge to Efrafa
« on: March 01, 2015, 09:14:20 AM »
Meanwhile, the series has reached a very good level.

Why not letting Gorse & Thistle letting be killed by the fox just because they stumble across Bigwig? Bigwig who finally plants himself into Efrafa? Efrafa, whose captains try to find Watership Down?

This whole episode may be another "expander", but it's simply done great.

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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2015, 04:56:58 PM »
In this episode we get a bit of conflict between Hazel careful approach to problems and Bigwig's rush-headfirst-and-improvise-as-you-go-along attitude. It ends in Bigwig joining Efrafa (or at least pretending to do so). Here it's a rash decision that works out in the end, while in the book it is part of the carefully designed plan. Another difference is that in the book Bigwig is quite hesitant to play his role of secret agent in Efrafa. In the show he goes in without any doubts or anxiety.


I find it funny that Hawkbit is chosen to go to Efrafa even though he is the last rabbit to volunteer, while Pipkin and Dandelion (who are first to raise their paws) get to stay behind. Lucky for them. They get credit for being the first to volunteer, but in the end they don't have to risk their lives. :D

 :hawkbit : I don't see why he picked me. You put up your paw before I did.

I wonder about that thing too. Looking at this from Watsonian perspective, Hazel picks Hawkbit over Pipkin and Dandelion, because Pipkin is a child while Dandelion is one of the slowest rabbits in the warren (or at least that's what later episodes say). Fiver is slow too, but he has visions, so it's rational to take him on this mission.

Now, the Doylist answer would be that the group needs a pessimist to remind the audience how dangerous rabbits' quest is. Hawkbit usually having better/funnier lines would be another reason to include him in the group looking from producers' perspective. ;)
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Re: Challenge to Efrafa
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2020, 09:03:05 PM »
The true reason Hawkbit got chosen to go on the mission instead of Dandelion is simple; they needed their especially trained step ladder to get over that giant log!  :hawkbit2

It's interesting to see the conflict between Hazel and Bigwig shift to this moment here, and it's also nice to see that in this case Hazel at least realizes he's being selfish by risking his rabbits' lives just to rescue Primrose. Looking at you miniseries!Hazel

Campion makes a weird decision in sending Thistle and Gorse off by themselves whilst he and Vervain go in another direction. Wouldn't it make more sense for the captains to split up and take an officer each?

Also more set-up for Mister Golden Good Boy Campion, he berates Vervain and then later saves him from Woundwort's wrath (this is why I think it plausible they were friends somewhat before Woundwort came to Efrafa). 
But, seriously, pay attention Campion. You are still perpetuating this system. you want to be the real 'good' guy? Then don't serve Woundwort! Fight him! Or at least let rabbits escape! :frustrated *ahum* my frustration with Campion is surfacing again...

Anyway, back to the episode. It ends with a marvellous smile from Bigwig:
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Re: Challenge to Efrafa
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2021, 02:51:11 PM »
^ That is a marvellous smile!  :bigwig3

I like reading these new reviews of the first series; they're pretty amusing.  :lol
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