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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2018, 01:49:10 AM »
I think such an episode would be a good idea.  In the actual series, at the end of episode 9 Hazel announces he will be a father, and by the beginning of episode 10, Primrose has given birth and the kittens are old enough to eat solid food.  This leaves a few months between the two episodes, and exploring what happens in the meantime would be great, and would make it possible to have some cute Hazel/Primrose moments.
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« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2018, 02:09:42 AM »
Quote from: Chipster-roo on Feb 19 2018, 08:49:10 PM
I think such an episode would be a good idea.  In the actual series, at the end of episode 9 Hazel announces he will be a father, and by the beginning of episode 10, Primrose has given birth and the kittens are old enough to eat solid food.  This leaves a few months between the two episodes, and exploring what happens in the meantime would be great, and would make it possible to have some cute Hazel/Primrose moments.
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The montage itself was a bit strange especially with showing footage from Season 2 that hadn’t aired yet. Now another popular British property called Thomas The Tank Engine does have a familiar pattern of showing clips from past episodes too but they only do it from previous episodes and not episodes that haven’t aired yet though in that show’s case, reusing footage was common likely to save money and just showcase the engines working. At least it was the only time an episode of Watership Down had that weird montage combination of past and not yet aired clips.

Probably my Favorite part of this episode was the introduction to Captain Broom. A series exclusive Captain character with a knack for telling stories, is able to trick Woundwort later on in Season 2 and a great performance by the late Richard Briers! :captain-broom

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« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2018, 01:26:08 AM »
That's really interesting; I didn't know about this :)

Captain Broom is probably, along with Spartina, my favourite series-only character.  It probably would have been nice if Richard Briers had received a mention in the opening credits like John Hurt though...
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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2018, 02:45:34 AM »
Quote from: Chipster-roo on Mar 31 2018, 09:26:08 PM
That's really interesting; I didn't know about this :)

Captain Broom is probably, along with Spartina, my favourite series-only character.  It probably would have been nice if Richard Briers had received a mention in the opening credits like John Hurt though...
Yeah. Going back through the series, Rik Mayall and Jane Horrocks were always credited in Season 1 And 2 regardless if only one of them was in an episode so it’s weird that Richard Briers never was named after the episode title was introduced for any of his appearances. Though he did receive billing in the standard credits so it’s not like no one forgot there.

One thing I’m puzzled about is did this episode have one or two morals? It seemed like the storyline with the defence on the weasel might have been along the lines of blaming others for things they can’t control doesn’t solve anything and the journey to check Redstone implies perhaps sometimes a little bit of hope can keep you strong in some of your toughest times?

If anyone could maybe help me on this, I’d appreciate it

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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2018, 10:36:40 PM »
I wouldn't be surprised if this episode had two morals; it wouldn't be the only episode to do that.

I think I'll create a new thread to elaborate on this...
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Re: The Vision
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2020, 03:03:58 PM »
Ah this episode, what a pawtouching moment. Firstly, I can understand why Primrose would be upset when Fiver proclaims the warren she loves, and presumes is safe, is all in ruins. Pretty shocking and unsettling to hear, and Fiver's eery vibrations don't help either. It makes me wonder though what the point of that vision was. Whether he had it or not, Primrose was gonna go there any way. She wasn't gonna just accept it and not go. And I know Fiver doesn't choose when his visions occur but normally the happen to actually warn them of approaching danger, to show them the way, or to get them out of a pinch. This one seemed utterly pointless.

Fiver suddenly doubting his visions and thinking he caused them felt off to me as well. Why would he doubt himself now, of all times? What did that mean then? Does he think he caused Redstone to be destroyed in the past as well? Or the entirety of Woundwort's past? It makes little sense, really.

He looks so sad when he's outside alone though. I feel so bad for him.
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I think you make a lot of valid points, Meadow.  The montage and song come out of nowhere, and includes scenes from episodes that haven't aired yet, including the Christmas special.  The episode introduces Redstone warren, which will be important later on in the series, but the trip in this episode feels rather pointless and annoying.
So those were scenes from Winter on Watership Down. I wasn't sure and just confused when I saw it. Now considering the revelation at the end that Primrose is pregnant, it seems obvious the montage was a nice child-friendly for
That's a pretty subtle way of making love X3
...exactly that! And naturally Primrose saw their entire past and future together in her mind.

Fiver's comment at the kitten revelation cracks me up.
 :hazel2 I'm gonna be a father!
 :fiver I could have told you that!
...kinda creepy actually Fiver no. Did you cause that too?

As for Broom's name, it appears to be a type of shrub or something.  Although the odds are that most viewers will probably end up thinking of that thing we use to sweep the floor instead :dandelion
Captain Broom's name actually always reminds me of fish but that's just because I misread it as bream all the time.  :pipkin2 I do think the shrubbery is definitely not the first thing most would think about.

Yea, don't know what to think of this episode, but like any of them I had fun and it made me laugh. Though perhaps not always in the intended ways but meh.
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