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« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2016, 04:57:48 PM »
I have a theory that could be very disturbing about the burrow of bright wires. Says so:
There is no chief burrowing officially that any rabbit can give solution to the problem of the wires, because the human that keeps them safe is your "owner", then ...


Cowslip keeps everything in order from the shadows, trying always have to sacrifice rabbits and so maintain their lifestyle.   :cowslip
I'm sure the past Cowslip was that he lost his entire family in bright wires; father, mother, brothers and friends, from a very young age ... So crazy about this reality, full of darkness and began to take advantage of the situation to live in abundance with the sacrifice of others, ie, obtain food, protection and safety in exchange for rabbits, many rabbits.

And it's not written anywhere Watership Down, but I'm sure that sooner or later Death of Cowslip be by bright wires. Or killed by the human protecting it.
I've always had that concern. And Silverweed always live in fear like others.   :silverweed
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« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2016, 05:59:35 AM »
I've mentioned this in the respective episode's topic, but I recently recalled it. In "The Shadow of Efrafa," at one point Hazel directly addresses Campion by name. I notice it every time I watch the episode. How does he know Campion's name? The only time it gets mentioned before then is when Primrose addresses him after Blackavar's defense. Hazel wasn't there to hear that, nor was Kehaar (he flies off). I know this seems trivial, but I distinctly notice it every time and I always ask that question.
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« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2016, 04:57:03 AM »
Here's an interesting one. In S1E11 Lost, after Hazel, Fiver, and Hawkbit fall into the cave, Fiver mentions the weasel that they blocked into the rock tunnel back in episode 2. He's convinced that it ended up in the cave and that it will eat all of them since there's nothing else to eat.

However, isn't the weasel that shows up in episode 9 the same as the one from episode 2? Seeking revenge and all that? Clearly that means it got out of the cave at some point, and there's no mention of trapping it in the tunnel again in episode 9. You just see the owsla attack it. Therefore, there's no reason to think that the weasel would still be down there to eat them in episode 11.

I just noticed this one and I don't know why I didn't before. I think I assumed Fiver's mention of the weasel was to suggest that there was a way out of the cave or something, not that it was still in the cave.
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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2016, 07:48:10 PM »
The only issue/weird thing that really bugs me about the series is that the first episode starts off in the middle of the journey, and none of the characters are given much of an introduction at all. If I wasn't a fan of the book/movie I would be very confused as to what was going on. >.<

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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2016, 11:59:35 PM »
From episode 3:



What are Hawkbit, Dandelion and Pipkin doing there?  They are supposed to be at the Down...
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« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2016, 01:23:22 AM »
Quote from: Chipster-roo on Nov 27 2016, 06:59:35 PM
From episode 3:


What are Hawkbit, Dandelion and Pipkin doing there?  They are supposed to be at the Down...
You know, it might be a stretch, but it occurs to me that in the original story the rabbits go to Cowslip's warren before getting to the Down, Hawkbit, Dandelion, and Pipkin included. Maybe the error is a carry-over from an earlier draft of the series where the same was true and those three were present. Just what immediately stands out to me as an explanation.

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« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2016, 04:17:53 AM »
It's nice to see you post again, Hammy.

That's actually an interesting theory, that could potentially explain this, and a few other cases where the wrong character is seen.

That kinda makes me wish Hawkbit had been there to make sarcastic comments about how weird Cowslip and his gang are...

Another example of the wrong character (in episode 5): it's Hawkbit but it should be Fiver:
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« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2016, 11:37:06 PM »
Glad to be posting again.

I like that idea, would have made the visit to the warren a little more dynamic.

Another thing I've been meaning to mention for a while: all the repeated audio samples.
-Vervain's "Get a move on!"
-Bigwig's battle cry
-Hannah's "oof" sound-thing
-Kehaar's "kehaaaar" call (continued to be used even after Kehaar's VA change)

I'm sure there are others besides that, but those immediately spring to mind. It's really, really conspicuous after you hear it for a while. Not necessarily a bad thing, but something that I can't not notice.

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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2016, 08:02:05 AM »
Quote from: Hammy on Nov 28 2016, 06:37:06 PM
Glad to be posting again.

I like that idea, would have made the visit to the warren a little more dynamic.

Another thing I've been meaning to mention for a while: all the repeated audio samples.
-Vervain's "Get a move on!"
-Bigwig's battle cry
-Hannah's "oof" sound-thing
-Kehaar's "kehaaaar" call (continued to be used even after Kehaar's VA change)

I'm sure there are others besides that, but those immediately spring to mind. It's really, really conspicuous after you hear it for a while. Not necessarily a bad thing, but something that I can't not notice.
There's also Hazel's "I don't think--" used twice in "The Vision." And one of my favorite Woundwort lines: "Are you incompetent, or perhaps lacking in motivation?"
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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2016, 10:56:02 PM »
There's some good examples! Wow, blatant character changes.

If I haven't already I'm mentioning about some of the music which they suddenly blast out a lot, starting and finishing on the same notes each time. Namely the OH SO DRAMATIC music which plays a few times in Efrafa: DUN, DUN DUN, DUN DUN DUUUUUN. It's lacking in a bit of subtlety. Counts as an 'odd' thing, kind of. :D
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« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2016, 11:22:15 PM »
Quote from: MeadowRabbit on Nov 29 2016, 05:56:02 PM
If I haven't already I'm mentioning about some of the music which they suddenly blast out a lot, starting and finishing on the same notes each time. Namely the OH SO DRAMATIC music which plays a few times in Efrafa: DUN, DUN DUN, DUN DUN DUUUUUN. It's lacking in a bit of subtlety. Counts as an 'odd' thing, kind of. :D
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« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2016, 10:37:44 PM »
^ Haha! yeah, that. :D Interestingly, it sounds like they might have put some of the music on a different key change in that clip - shocker!
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Re: Odd things in general about the series
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2019, 11:52:51 AM »
The very first episode itself starts oddly. Straight into the (nearly over) journey without a proper introduction to the situation and characters. If that was shown in a pilot episode, well, they could have shown it anyway, like they have with the pilots for other programmes. It is just a weird opening episode to me; feels like I've missed an episode.

This! When I first watched the first episode, I thought that they'd missed off an episode on the DVD as it doesn't open as you'd expect it to, with Hazel and Fiver grazing one evening and finding the billboard announcing the housing development, then informing the chief rabbit, and so on... It's very confusing to those who've not read the book. At best, it feels like scenes have been cut out of it.

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Re: Odd things in general about the series
« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2019, 05:29:30 PM »
- Cowslip's face looks like a starfish in Season 3.
- I never fully understood what Hannah was muttering under her breath after a close encounter with Gluck (something like "flat-footed waddlin'...").
- Bigwig's battle cry, it seems too loud for the situations he uses them in unless he thinks every confrontation deserves to start with a karate yell.
- Bigwig's comical over-the-top yelps. If WD's taught me anything, it's that you don't want to advertise your presence when you're in pain or trouble, but those are some loud quivering screams.
- Dandelion's impression of a fox. It's really cute and doesn't really sound like a fox, but I'm not sure where he would have picked that up.
- Would Kehaar's accent really make it difficult for him to say Dandelion ("Dande-yion") or Hannah ("Anya"), or did they just try to liven things up? I can understand Hannah having a little trouble with saying Hawkbit (sounds more like 'Awkbit), but Kehaar's accent isn't that thick, at least not until Season 3.
(...well, maybe Anya's closer to a name he knows than Hannah, and I think an accent's just that subtly different sounds are used instead of what I'm used to. Just because he uses a sound that's a little unusual in a particular situation doesn't mean that's far-fetched)
- All the interesting ideas brought up in the dialogue (most of it philosophical), but the characters don't react much to hearing them nor follow through on them. Made the show more interesting than what the visuals showed. Things like Fiver saying Hazel's scared that Hawkbit lost faith in him but we never see that on Hazel's face, Woundwort saying he'll force the slaves and does and little ones to fight (granted they probably couldn't show that), or the food-for-thought that must have gone through Woundwort's mind after he says "loss and suffering harden the heart, without it what would I be today?" and Silverweed answers "Happy?"

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- The couple of instances where good-natured rabbits spontaneously die, perhaps to make a point about how evil Woundwort is (the two rabbits who drown in a swamp) or the dangers of the world (Aspen, though with someone so nice that a butterfly lands on his ear, you know he's not going to last long). Makes me more interested in those rabbits and their lives getting cut short, than whatever else the main story has in store.
- It sounds to me like they suggested both Woundwort and Hazel wanted to stop the war (Hazel said "I wish there'd been another way", Woundwort said he wanted to end the war but believed Hazel never gave him that choice), but due to circumstances beyond their control they didn't know that was an option. Really, you're going to put out an intriguing "hero and villain put aside their differences to end a war" idea, which I don't recall other shows being daring enough to do, and not use that for your storyline? On the other hand, the feeling of loss that Hazel/Woundwort considered it but couldn't do it is probably just as powerful.
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Re: Odd things in general about the series
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2020, 04:23:23 PM »
From episode 3:



What are Hawkbit, Dandelion and Pipkin doing there?  They are supposed to be at the Down...

Just watched this episode yesterday and I just noticed Strawberry moving to the front when he was beside Hazel moments ago.  Didn't even notice Dandelion, Hawkbit or Pipkin in there. 

Also didn't notice how Hawkbit took the place of Fiver, might have to check that scene out again too.